Curse

FaiLeD · Jan 14, 2009, 03:23 AM // 03:23

I am an amature kind of at making builds but yea if there is a build like this good for them because I feel proud of this one.lol

Restoration: 12, 1, 2
Channeling: 9, 3
Spawning: 9, 1

Spirit light weapon
Mend body and soul
Spirit light
Generous was tsungrai
Essence strike
Signet of creation
Rejuvenation

Bloodsong is used for a backup spirit for if rejuvination dies. With rejuvination, used sig of creation, and comboes good with spirit light weapon.

Blood song

spirit of defeat · Jan 14, 2009, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Try this:
[Weapon of Remedy][Vengeful Weapon][Splinter Weapon][Spirit light][Protective Was Kaolai][Essence strike][Signet of creation][Rejuvenation]
res 12+1
chan 12+1
SP 3

Frozen Was Tara · Jan 14, 2009, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Looks good except for the elite, [Weapon of Remedy] (as mentioned above) or [Xinrae's Weapon] are better elites.

I don't know what kind of PvP you do with it, but if it's AB:

[build prof=Rt/any box cha=12+1+1 res=12+1][Weapon of Remedy][Protective Was Kaolai][Soothing Memories][Wielder's Boon][Mending Grip][Weapon of Warding][Channeled Strike][optional][/build]

Might be better for AB, spirits tend to be useless since you're running around all the time. You can throw in some IMS, always nice for AB (Rt/A?).

bungusmaximus · Jan 14, 2009, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Maybe swap one of the heals in that one for [resilient weapon]?
Another sexy option might be [weapon of shadow]

FaiLeD · Jan 14, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36

This build revolves around spirit light weapon and makes 2 people at a time gAin 40hp/second. Prolly should have mentioned that.

Frozen Was Tara · Jan 14, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by FaiLeD

This build revolves around spirit light weapon and makes 2 people at a time gAin 40hp/second. Prolly should have mentioned that.

Were do you use this?

FaiLeD · Jan 14, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Ra or AB but I haven't tried it in ta

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 14, 2009, 08:22 PM // 20:22

I see what you're trying to do with the build but the problem is it isn't very effective.

I'm assuming you're wanting to use this build in RA or possibly for healing in TA so i'll base my advice on that.

Firstly, Spirit Light Weapon isn't an overly good elite, don't get me wrong it's not terrible but it's not good. The main problem is a lot of the healing benefit is going to be wasted when playing versus a good team. Continuous healing over time spells are generally bad unless the duration is long, the recharge is short and the cost is low. This is because good warriors like to swap targets and they like to swap a lot. So you have your warrior beating on your target and you put Spirit Light weapon on him to heal up the damage the warrior is doing. the next thing you know he's beating on someone else and the healing Spirit Light Weapon is doing to the previous guy is being wasted. As other people previously said, I would take Weapon Of Remedy or Xinraes Weapon for an elite.

Mend Body and Soul is nice, as is Spirit Light.

Generous Was Tsungrai, is a decent skill as well, however, there are better options for the 4v4 format. Generous Was Tsungrai works well against spike damage, it makes you pretty much unspikeable and then allows you to heal up the spike damage that did go through. The problem is that RA and TA are not places where spikes are popular. RA and TA are dominated by pressure rather than spikes and for that reason I would take Protective Was Kaolai.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve with Essence Strike. It looks to me as if you have looked for an energy management skill, seen this and then figured it would do. It's completely out of place within the build considering you're going for healing rather than damage. I would reccommend taking Soothing Memories instead, which suits a healing build very well and also provides some form of energy management.

Signet of Creation, to be perfectly honest, is a complete waste of a skill slot. What you're doing is providing support for something that is providing support for something else (your elite). I guess your theory was that I need my spirits for Spirit Light Weapon so i'm going to have to take something to help keep them alive. This is a very bad thing to do and what you've done is basically cost yourself 2 extra skill slots just to try and always get the benefit from a mediocre elite. I would take Weapon of Shadow here instead.

I would keep rejuvenation, it's quite nice, either that or life anyway.

Bloodsong is the other skill slot you wasted trying to fulfill your elite. Doesn't really fit in the build, it's only purpose for being there is really for the elite and so I would swap that our for Weapon Of Warding, which does fit in your build very nicely.

So what we've got so far is:
Xinraes Weapon/Weapon Of Remedy
Mend body and soul
Spirit light
Protective was Kaolai
Soothing Images
Weapon of Shadow
Rejuventation/Life
Weapon Of Warding

This build is pretty optimal for dealing with RA/TA pressure, you have plenty of prots (Weapon Of Warding/Weapon Of Shadow) to stop damage going through and you have plenty of heals to heal up any damage that gets through the prot. The only thing I don't like in this bar is the energy. You have to be very good to effectively use the bar and conserve energy. You could probably drop Spirit Light considering with only 1 spirit now you're more likely to end up saccing health and find another energy management skill. You could even delve into a secondary profession for this since you're not already using one. The other thing is hex removal so if you're comfortable with the energy on the bar then you could drop spirit light go Rt/Mo and take some hex removal with you.

FaiLeD · Jan 14, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

I don't want to use those elites cuz eveybody uses those and don't say 30 hp a sec isn't good. And it's no big deal if u use it on 1 guy and goes to waste. It is for using on people that are getting hurt alot. Sig of creation makes it so rejuvination doesn't die and can heal your whole party. 1 person can even be attacking rejuvonation and it still won't die.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 14, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by FaiLeD

I don't want to use those elites cuz eveybody uses those and don't say 30 hp a sec isn't good. And it's no big deal if u use it on 1 guy and goes to waste. It is for using on people that are getting hurt alot. Sig of creation makes it so rejuvination doesn't die and can heal your whole party. 1 person can even be attacking rejuvonation and it still won't die.

I thought I explained pretty clearly why skills that heal over time are not good. They may look good on paper but in actual play they are not, unless you're playing against really bad people who train targets for ages and you should never ever base your play style for bad players. Everyone uses those elites because they work the best, if you don't want to use good elites then go ahead by all means, play with mediocre skills instead of outstanding ones.

I don't think you properly read my post either, I know why you took Signet of Creation, I mentioned why you took it in my last post. If you continue reading I also mentioned why it's bad. Skill synergy is great but you should not take skills that depend on other skills to work and taking 1 skill just to benefit 1 other skill on your skill bar is just as bad.

If you don't want to take criticism about your build, why did you post it?

FaiLeD · Jan 15, 2009, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Good point. We just r2 different people I guess but the build worked fine for me and I really do appreciate it advice.

bungusmaximus · Jan 15, 2009, 08:31 AM // 08:31

You'll be pretty screwed in arenas without [weapon of warding], prepare to spend most time on your butt without that skill.

Frozen Was Tara · Jan 15, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

I fail to see what you are trying to achieve with this topic...

If it's just to show the build and ignore any advice, I suggest u take this to PvX or something alike.

FaiLeD · Jan 16, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

It's really anoyiong that people get this idea stuck in their heads that u have to have a certain skill and there is no other way. I'm just trying to venture outside the box.

Lhim · Jan 16, 2009, 10:25 AM // 10:25

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Originally Posted by FaiLeD

Restoration: 12, 1, 2
Channeling: 9, 3
Spawning: 9, 1

[Spirit light weapon][Mend body and soul][Spirit light][Generous was tsungrai][Essence strike][Signet of creation][Rejuvenation][bloodsong]
Bloodsong is used for a backup spirit for if rejuvination dies. With rejuvination, used sig of creation, and comboes good with spirit light weapon.

Well, since you don't seem to like people messing with your builds (why post here then though?), I'll try not to mess with it too.

First your attribute spread could be better. If you want to keep [[bloodsong] and [[essence strike] you might as well invest some more points into channeling and less into spawning power. Right now, you have chan at 9+3, which means [[essence strike] gives 7 energy back at the cost of 5. Not that great (p.s. same would be with chan at 9+2).
And you can better lay off the major or superior attribute runes though.....1 major couldn't hurt perhaps.
I hope you don't consider this messing with ur build...

Ok I lied and can't resist, but I'll keep it generally the same, ok?
Since [[bloodsong] is just a backup spirit, you also could use another resto one (like [[life]) for that. Then you can change [[essence strike] for something else too, cause it's not doing much now as it is. Maybe change [[essence strike] for another cool weaponspell like [[weapon of warding]. Or if you are concerned with energy [[soothing memories] for [[essence strike] and then you can change either [[mend body and soul] or [[spirit light] for [[weapon of warding]. Of course with these changes it won't be a hybrid healer anymore, but right now it just seems that you threw most spells requiring a spirit on one bunch and made a build out of it. Like that your chan skills won't do much. This would streamline it a bit I think, but without chan skills.

p.s. remember to use a rez in RA

So......ur build with adjusted attribute points:
[build prof=rt/x resto=12+1+1 chan=12+1 spa=3][Spirit light weapon][Mend body and soul][Spirit light][Generous was tsungrai][Essence strike][Signet of creation][Rejuvenation][bloodsong][/build]

Alternate build based on your thoughts:
[build prof=rt/x resto=12+1+1 spa=12+1][Spirit light weapon][Mend body and soul][Soothing memories][Generous was tsungrai][weapon of warding][Signet of creation][Rejuvenation][life][/build]

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 16, 2009, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaiLeD

It's really anoyiong that people get this idea stuck in their heads that u have to have a certain skill and there is no other way. I'm just trying to venture outside the box.

That is not really what happens, people use the same skills over and over not because they really like that skill. They use the same skills over and over because they ARE the best skills and no matter what your personal opinion is bars using other elites are generally inferior to those using the very popular elites.

I will agree that rarely new bars to appear using different elites that are better, but this happens VERY RARELY and normally are gimmicky bars that are nerfed quite soon.

The other reason new elites appear in metas is because they get buffed and other skills get nerfed and so there are new uses for the less used elite and therefore they get used more often as they are more on par with the popular elites (Warriors Endurance for example).

However taking less used elites (Spirit Light Weapon) that has not been recently buffed and is placed in a build usually results in a build that may work against opponents who are not overly good but WILL BE less effective than popular bars i.e WoR bars. This is one of those bars.

ac1inferno · Jan 16, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Good for TA

[build prof=Rt/Mo res=10+1 cha=12+1+1 spawning=6+1 prot=6][Offering of Spirit][Bloodsong][Warmonger's Weapon][Ancestors' Rage][Mend Body and Soul][Aura of Stability][Holy Veil][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Might be good for AB

[build prof=Rt/A Channeling=12+2 Restoration=12+1+1 spawning=3][Caretaker's Charge][Ancestor's Rage][Soothing Memories][Weapon of Warding][Weapon Of Shadow][protective was kaolai][recuperation][Dash][/build]

[build prof=Rt/A Channeling=12+1 Restoration=12+1+1 shadow=3][Weapon of Remedy][Weapon of Warding][Wielder's Boon][Channeled Strike][Optional][protective was kaolai][Dark Escape][Dash][/build]
- [[Weapon of Shadow]
- [[Warmonger's Weapon]
- [[Recuperation]
- [[Soothing Memories] for additional heal.

FaiLeD · Jan 17, 2009, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Well than spirit light weapon is like my fav fit elite (besides xenras weapon or w/e) can some one help a brother out and show me a build for it?

spirit of defeat · Jan 17, 2009, 04:23 PM // 16:23

well the problem is the with [spirit light weapon] IMO is the earshot range if it had a bigger area of effect I might use it, to easy to can away from a spirit.

And it can't beat [weapon of warding] 50% block

And it has 6pips of regeneration and 12 if you have a spirit close.

ac1inferno · Jan 17, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by FaiLeD

Well than spirit light weapon is like my fav fit elite (besides xenras weapon or w/e) can some one help a brother out and show me a build for it?

I don't think any good Rt build in PvP or PvE uses [[Spirit Light Weapon].